So, if it comes down to right-wing "journalist" v. Obama's word, who do you believe?

Wow.  I know this is hard to believe, but there are places that Obama supporters won't go with Clinton.  Politics ain't beanbag, but there are limits, particularly in a primary.

This diary is one of those places.  My jaw is on the ground.

Just because he was completely wrong on the facts before doesn't mean that we should stop trusting him, huh?

I just received this (form) email from the NY Times.  

Dear Reader,

Thank you for writing. Mr. Kristol has affixed to the top of his column a correction on this issue. You are correct, he was wrong.

In short, I was right and a conservative columnist was wrong.  How often do you receive that sort of email?

What has amazed me is the way that the same liberals who have for years rightly castigated Falwell, Robertson and other evangelical ministers for their outrageous statements are trying to justify Rev. Wright.

What is most amazing is that we have white liberals saying this is part of black culture and thus immune from criticism. I have been to many black churches and never heard anything like Rev. Wright. Oprah had the good sense to stop going to this church because of Wright's comments.

Obama should have used the same good judgement. There is not way he can weather this. He might get throught the nomination, but GOP 527's will "swift boat" him in the fall and there is no good defense. Even this morning Obama was canceling appearences on TV shows after the NEW minister at the church says the church is being "crucified." Obama is smart enough to see the writing on the wall even if his supporters are not.

Well, Obama was, in fact, in Chicago on July 22.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008- presidential-candidates/tracker/dates/20 07/jul/22/

He was also in Chicago on July 15.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008- presidential-candidates/tracker/dates/20 07/jul/15/

In any case, are Secret Service records public information?  You could figure out which dates the Secret Service was at Trinity church and then politely ask the church to provide video of the sermons from those days.  If they refuse, you can ask why they are refusing.

What a load of obvious bullshit.  "Oh, he wasn't there on July 22?  Well, I swear he was there on some other date in July, really!"

As I remember, the Newsmax story made it quite clear that it was supposedly the morning service where this guy attended and saw Obama.  Now he wants to be like "he could have attended either the morning or evening service and still gone to Miami"?  Guess what, genius, you're supposed to be the reporter who actually saw this stuff.  Not very impressive if all you can give us is a list of dates that can't be ruled out!

This all makes me wonder if Jason Leopold is still standing by that story about Karl Rove getting indicted.

I can't believe that we're attempting to brutally Swiftboat our own team.  I feel like I'm in some ulterior universe.  I'm an Obama supporter, but HRC would be infinitely preferable to McCain.  Any rational supporter of HRC feels the same way with respect to Obama and McCain.

This stuff is certifiable.  It's friggin' nuts.

Newsmax should NEVER be a news source for a Democratic website.  Newsmax has SMEARED the Clintons mercilessly in the 90's.

Why should we we believe this story when they can't even determine the date of the church event.

Why would Obama ever go with a right wing reporter to his church.  He would never do that.

This site is now a right wing nut site.

So now it's one of the services and not the July 22nd one?  What's the point of all this again?  I don't know where to begin.  

Who wants to bet how long it will take until we get some freeper links here about Obama?  Any one?

Mr. Davis' story was first published on Newsmax on August 9, 2007.

Can you source/link this?

Since I trust neither Newsmax nor the Obama campaign I think we'll need some records to clear up whether he was in church those days or not.

He only had one concrete fact in the story.  That was debunked.  Why should anyone believe the rest of it after that?

Honestly, if HRC wins I wish her all of the best and will campaign my heart out for her.

But this place is really, really scary now.  Good luck to the Democrats, and I'll see ya somewhere on the interweb.

I am not an obama fan. But can we please not cite Newsmax? This is going to ruin this site.

Please delete this crap.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/arch ives/2008/03/kristol_bungles_key_fact_in _an.php

You should be ashamed of yourself for this disingenouos diary. Act like a Democrat for f*x sake.

MyDD is becoming Fox News.
Sad...truly sad.

...usually doesn't mean changing key factual assertions in that same story.  But hey, why let something minor like the facts interfere with a fun diary!  

Also, I continue to enjoy the "Obama did _ unless he can prove and has proven that he didn't" line of attack.  Stunningly effective.  

I did not like it when Obama supporters were all excited about Drudge's story on Obama's picture and accused Hillary as the source of the picture. And I do not like to be "shocked" or "excited" by an article, which has a very questionable aspect, publichsed on Newsmax. Not because of it is from newsmax but because it has some initial flaws in his news reporting. I know that pro-Obama blogs and media were fiercely attacked Hillary with Druge's story yet I do not want to behave like them.

I bet the MSM is chasing more evidences to debunk Obama's remarks "I was not there". Let's see whether Obama lied or not. I will wait until some "reliable" sources present some concrete and trustworthy evidences.

> Newsmax is not necessarily a reliable news source.

Here's a rule of thumb I use in correspondence. Anytime I feel the need to apologize or rationalize in advance for what I am about to say, I reconsider whether it might be better to just not say it.

Patience. If there is any real evidence that Obama's assertions regarding Wright are false, it will be covered by a more reputable source - hopefully one that has some standards of verification other than "if it is bad and it is about a Democrat, it must be true."

If no such evidence surfaces, then Obama told the truth, and this Wright issue is simply a guilt-by-association smear - still damaging, but nothing less than we should have expected from the VWRC as the GE gets underway.

When the only chance your candidate has is for a scandal to break out, there's going to be a tendency to try to find one.  Of course, every time something comes out that turns out to be minor, the chances of being taken seriously at the next "OMG!!!  THIS IS IT!" story fades.

We are democrats on here, I presume , so lets work together to expose the lying GOP funded yellow ''journalists'' who spread crap like this.

Two more American soldiers today joined the 13 that died last week in Iraq...5 years of war..time for a dem in the white house to stop this insanity.

Elect a democrat..Obama or Hillary.

are subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act, however there are several categorical exemptions, not sure if any would apply.

Last I filed for my own records with them, in 1989, it took around 6 months, much faster than the FBI, but...